
Podcast Notes | Interview with a Frontline U.S. Detective: Inside Pig-Butchering Scams and Crypto Fraud
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Podcast Notes | Interview with a Frontline U.S. Detective: Inside Pig-Butchering Scams and Crypto Fraud
Educating the public on how to identify and avoid fraudulent activities, as well as how to use cryptocurrency safely, is key to preventing scams.
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"Pig butchering" scams are among the world's major cryptocurrency-related frauds, with scammers causing an estimated $2 billion in losses globally.
In this podcast episode, Chainalysis invites Matthew Hogan, a frontline detective from Connecticut, USA, to discuss the evolution of cryptocurrency scams, the challenges law enforcement faces in investigating these cases, and recent state legislation on crypto kiosks (cryptocurrency ATMs) and digital assets.
How do overseas crypto scams operate? What are the regulatory challenges? Let’s explore these questions through the perspective of a frontline detective.

Host: Ian Andrews, Chief Marketing Officer at Chainalysis
Guest: Detective Matthew Hogan, Connecticut State Police
Series: Chainalysis Podcast
Episode: Link
Original Title: "Investigating the World of Pig Butchering And Crypto Scams"
Date: September 5
Pig Butchering Crypto Scams and Losses
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"Pig butchering" refers to a scam where fraudsters slowly and methodically build trust—often through friendship or romantic relationships—before extracting money or cryptocurrency from victims, akin to fattening pigs before slaughter.
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Many criminal organizations are headquartered in Southeast Asia. During the COVID-19 pandemic, strict travel restrictions aimed at curbing virus spread led to economic losses for large casinos and resorts due to lack of gambling activity.
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Criminal groups lured professionals seeking jobs in Laos, Cambodia, and elsewhere with promises of high salaries, only to forcibly detain them—turning these individuals into victims of human trafficking.
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These trafficking victims were then forced to use dating apps, messaging platforms, and social media to make initial contact with vulnerable individuals worldwide.
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The scheme uses legitimate cryptocurrency exchanges, fake crypto websites, and fabricated returns to execute fraud and ultimately steal money and cryptocurrency from victims.
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Victims may pay up to 20% in fees when transferring funds. Even if assets are recovered, they have already suffered significant losses.
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Delays between reporting and fund tracing allow money to move beyond cooperating exchanges, reducing recovery chances.
Challenges Faced by Law Enforcement in Investigating "Pig Butchering" Cases
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Ian asked Matthew about his experiences as a police officer in Connecticut. Matthew responded that early fraud cases mainly involved checks or domestic wire transfers, but with the rise of cryptocurrency, criminals began using it to transfer and launder funds.
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Matthew Hogan outlined key challenges law enforcement faces in handling cryptocurrency cases:
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New Type of Crime: Cryptocurrency fraud is a relatively new phenomenon. Many law enforcement agencies lack prior experience and must learn how to trace and handle crypto-related criminal activities.
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Knowledge Gap: Many officers may not understand how cryptocurrency works, its transaction processes, or technical details. Continuous learning and knowledge upgrading are essential.
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Technical Complexity: Crypto transactions often involve complex tools and technologies, making tracking more difficult. Officers need to understand these systems and may rely on specialized tools and partners.
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Matthew believes law enforcement must actively collaborate with cryptocurrency industry experts, undergo training, build expertise, and continuously improve methods and strategies to meet these challenges.
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Raising education and awareness is also critical—to help law enforcement better understand crypto-related scams, protect potential victims, and combat criminals. This requires support and joint efforts from all parties to ensure effective responses to this evolving threat.
Connecticut's Legislation on Crypto Kiosks and Its Impact
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Connecticut recently passed digital asset legislation focusing specifically on regulating crypto kiosks (crypto ATMs), aiming to reduce fraud associated with these devices.
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The detective noted there are approximately 480 crypto kiosks in Connecticut alone, and overall regulation remains largely absent.
TechFlow Note: Crypto Kiosks are automated teller machines or terminals used for buying and selling cryptocurrencies, also known as "crypto vending machines" or "crypto ATMs".
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Details of the legislation include:
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Motivation: Connecticut lawmakers felt compelled to act due to the link between crypto kiosks and fraudulent activities. These public kiosks allow people to buy and sell cryptocurrency but have become tools for scammers to steal victims' funds.
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Regulatory Measures: The law introduces several measures to curb misuse. A key step is bringing crypto kiosks under the "Money Transmitter License" framework, subjecting them to the same regulations as traditional ATMs.
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Reclassification: To enable regulation, Connecticut lawmakers redefined crypto kiosks as entities subject to financial regulations, providing a legal basis for oversight.
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Transaction Limits: The legislation includes transaction restrictions such as:
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For users aged 60 and above, operators are encouraged to immediately freeze transactions and verify via phone call before processing.
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Limiting single transaction amounts to $500, aligning with FATF recommendations.
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Fees Reduction: Fraudsters often charge high fees through crypto kiosks. One goal of the legislation is to cap these fees and reduce victims’ financial losses.
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For example, since ATM fees can cost victims around 20% upfront, the law aims to lower fee percentages.
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Collaboration and Education: Alongside regulation, cooperation and public education can further reduce fraud.
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The legislation requires kiosk operators to implement KYC procedures and cooperate with U.S. law enforcement.
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Connecticut's Digital Asset Bill
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Matthew shared his experience interacting directly with crypto scammers to gain deeper insights into their operations and tactics. He cited an example where conversations with scammers revealed information about investment platforms they used.
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Matthew decided to proactively engage scammers, mimicking a potential victim unfamiliar with cryptocurrency, to lure them into revealing more about their methods and platforms.
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Through ongoing dialogue, Matthew successfully identified names and usage details of fraudulent investment platforms and observed how scammers build trust over time. This interaction deepened his understanding of psychological tactics used and provided valuable clues for law enforcement to combat such crimes.
Law Enforcement Strategies Against Crypto Scams
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Law enforcement and related agencies employ multiple strategies to combat cryptocurrency fraud and minimize its impact.
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One strategy involves freezing assets linked to crypto scams, preventing fraudsters from accessing illicit funds and limiting their operations while reducing victim losses.
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Another approach is seizing assets tied to crypto fraud—including bank accounts, cryptocurrency wallets, or other instruments involved in deception—to recover losses and weaken criminal capabilities.
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A key objective is disrupting criminal operations by monitoring and tracking scam activities, interfering with scammers’ communications and transactions.
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Matthew emphasized the importance of educating victims—many fall prey due to lack of knowledge about crypto. Public education on identifying and avoiding scams and safely using cryptocurrency is crucial for prevention.
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Law enforcement must maintain information sharing with the cryptocurrency industry, financial institutions, and other agencies to achieve coordinated effectiveness.
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